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. the problem with the fiscal cliff, the thing we're trying to avoid, the actual danger to the economy, is that we will get too much deficit reduction too quickly. if reducing the deficit was what the economy needed we could go right off the cliff and leave it there. you can see it in this graph, that line going down. that is the fiscal cliff, we went over our deficit problems, gone baby, totally, totally gone. one thing the fear of the fiscal cliff shows by the way, in the fox hole, everyone's a kinsian. everyone agrees. that is number one. too much austerity way too quickly. president obama is not asking for that much in taxes. it's worth getting a bit of perspective in here. you'll be shocked to know, we got a graph for that. here's what happens if we go over the cliff. you get more than $5 trillion in tax increases off the bat. and now here's what happens if we pass the sainted simpson bowles plan. you've heard of the plan. they have 2.6 trillion in tax increases. president obama's latest offer to john boehner has 1.2 trillion in taxes. that is half as much, less than half than sim
.o.a. in the senate i? way. the republicans are losing the debate on the fiscal cliff. this is obama's economy. let the president and the democrats own it and own the national debt. own the defense cut. instead, boehner and the gang allow the president to star in his own superhero film. he will cut the hawaiian vacation short and come back to save us mere mortal from the fiscal cliff. winning the optics war and winning it big. juan, how did you get the ball back from the republicans? they had it. this was obama's economy, his face calf cliff. now boehner fails on the vote and next thing you know, the ball is in your court. >> juan: i think you are right. i think boehner at the moment looking weaker. he is out of this altogether at the moment. his troops abandoned him. he is okay keeping the speaker on january 3 when the republican caucus vote but you are hearing rumors about eric cantor who is next to him launching some kind of a coop at the moment. i don't know where it goes. but it seems that he is in a position where the republicans in the senate and the white house are really the ones who will
tax bills rise next year by $2,000. the fiscal cliff isn't the only thing rattling the economy. in just a few weeks lawmakers will begin battling over the debt ceiling. you may recall that in the summer of 2011 the debt limit standoff led to the first ever downgrade of the nation's credit rating. joining us now from capitol hill is cnbc's aman jabbers. appreciate you helping us make sense of all of this. >> happy new year. thank you for having me. >> on a less happy note, there are economists who are saying this whole fight over the fiscal cliff, the rangeling in washington has already caused a hit on the economy. can you explain sort of what the impact of the debate has been. >> you dw definitely seen it. ju as early as friday when we report that the president was not making his new offer with offers down at the white house. we saw the stock market sell off rather dramatically just in those couple of minutes as that news was coming out. i got to say that over the past 24 hours or so the stock market has been relatively calm sort of expecting a deal, expecting that lawmakers wi
following president obama's announcement that he would cut his vacation short to deal with fiscal cliff negotiations. hoping that the real estate market would bolster the economy in 2013. we are learning that holiday sales this year were the weakest since 2008. they had a grim outlook for a fiscal cliff deal and the impact of the tragedy in newtown. on the radar this morning, chilling details in the christmas eve firefighter ambush. we could find out soon who will be saying aloha to the senate and a broken record in the house of representatives. new details out of webster, new york. william spangler set a car and house on fire and ambushed firefighters, opening fire on them as they arrive on the scene. police found a note he left behind saying he wanted to burn down the neighborhood and do what i like doing best, killing people. a convicted felon who spent 17 years in prison for killing his grandmother with a hammer was armed with three firearms including a bushmaster, the same gun used in the school massacre. he may have killed his sister and the home had human remains believed to be h
-minute agreement, none will see the picket signs sunday. >> economist worried if we do go off the fiscal cliff, it's now averted strike would have combined for a deadly one-two punch to the u.s. economy. now the overall deal is at 100% signed off on by februar february 6, then we are right back to where we were this morning and again the national retail federation and the florida governor rick scott will be urging president obama to prevent a strike invoking the tap partly act and something not done since president george w. bush did it in 2002. back to you. >> doug: phil keating in miami. the so-called milk cliff that would also kick in to effect the lawmakers can't avoid the fiscal cliff they be averted now. hill source tells fox news and the senate agriculture leaders working on a year long extension of all farm programs. the source noted that the truman era law is so old it would take weeks to implement. even if the old law expires don't expect immediate spike if milk prices. >>> congress is still working to find agreement on the $60.4 billion emergency spending bill for hurricane sandy victim
that happens with the fiscal cliff. >> who gets us through that? anyone left? >> well, your guess is as good as mine. white house people say that obama refuses to negotiate and he believes that the public is behind him, but it is not a compelling argument no the house republica republican, and that is the huge danger that people are focusing on which is the debt limit, because it is not part of the discussions, and that means we will go through it again in 60 or 90 days. >> thank you, josh green from bloomberg business. that is "hardball" for now, and coming up next is "your business" with jj ramberg. that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. see what's new from campbell's. progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? ye
to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> if in fact we do go over the fiscal cliff it means the economy is going to go down pretty sharply. [ buzzing ] bye dad. drive safe. k. love you. [ chirping, buzzing continues ] [ horn honks ] [ buzzing continues ] [ male announcer ] the sprint drive first app. blocks and replies to texts while you drive. we can live without the &. visit . gregg: you expect accrued of lines when you're shopping. how about sharks? look at those cameras rolling. a giant aquarium bursts, e phroedz insid explodes inside a mall in sang high china it sends glass, water, everywhere, including sharks. fortunately the sharks weren't terribly hungry at the moment and they didn't get very far. patti ann: george h.w. bush is in intensive care at a houston hospital battling a subject born fever. the former president has been sick for a few weeks now. on november 7th he was admitted to methodist hospital in houston what cough. he was later released only to be readmitted on november 23rd. by december 13th a hospital spokesman said the former president was improving and should
the fiscal cliff. of course, if is that happens, the economy could eventually slip back into recession. one interesting point, thomas, though, last time that members of congress worked between christmas and new year's was 1996. that was during the government shutdown. this is really a rare occurrence for members of congress to have to come back and work out legislation that they went able to get done before the christmas holiday. >> the president is supposed to stay there for how long? >> well, of course, the white house not really giving us specifics about the president's travel plans at this point in time. the reality is i think the president is himself trying to figure out what he is going to do, but we do expect that he will cut his vacation short. you've heard the president himself during his press conference on friday say i will be seeing you all next week. i think that it is very likely that we will see president obama back in d.c. later on this week and also taking part in those negotiations. >> last but not least, do you have on flip-flops? >> no, not yet. >> i'm looking at wi kiki
. we will get the next report next week for december and we hope the fiscal cliff does not thwart this but the underlying health of the economy is as good as its has been, do you agree, the laugh year or two? >>guest: well, it has been a bad one or two years, so, yes, if you look at it, i agree, it is half full. the glass needs to be a lot more full to keep stocks up at this level. >> we do not want to get ahead of ourselves and i was trying to be bullish on the economy because economists are looking for a downgrade next quarter at 2 percent growth but we have to go back to what happened after tarp, there was so much commotion and people were so concerned about that and the markets sold off and they sold off deeper but came back big. >>guest: over a series of years from 6,000 to 10,000 in the dow over a month and it took several years to get back. we have extended unemployment benefits for yet another year. we are barely bumping across the bottom and the great thing of our stock market we have companies representing america around the world so caterpillar was up big. we do not wan
: well, we're still trying that last ditch effort to keep the economy from going over the fiscal cliff. lawmakers are heading back to washington including the president with this year-end deadline that's been on the horizon. welcome, everybody, great to have you here. brand new hour of "happening now." kelly: i'm kelly wright in for jon scott -- jamie: and i'm jamie colby in for jenna today. kelly: talks hitting a dead end last week, now most americans are facing big tax hikes unless the two sides can work out a last minute deal. chief white house correspondent ed henry with more. >> reporter: you're right, really all eyes turning to plan c. plan a was that $4 trillion debt deal, plan b was speaker boehner's idea about tax increases only for million dollar incomes and more, now turning to plan c which is president obama's idea which is to move it back to $250,000 or more, that would be the threshold for tax cuts or tax increases in the other direction, also dealing with two million people who are losing their unemployment benefits, president wants to the take care of that by the end of
congress reaches, it will be a big tax cut. but the other thing about the fiscal cliff is you don't want to be blamed for going over it. it is going to be bad for the economy. it's bad for the country. what speaker boehner's done is create a situation in which we're going to go over the fiscal cliff. but the people who want higher taxes, the democrats, they're not going to be blamed for it. after all, it was john boehner who walked away from negotiations to try plan "b" last week. then it was john boehner who planned to pass plan "b" that very same week. then it was mr. boehner who said it was up to the senate, someone else's problem. just from a pr perspective, what john boehner has done here is a debacle for the republicans. and the white house, they've just been sitting back the last week or so and letting it happen. but today, they gave us their plan going forward. you could call it deal and jam. >> i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that could pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agreement as we speak. but if an agreemen
is the fiscal cliff impasse. it's a potentially devastating one-two bunch for the u.s. economy. neither the longshore's union or alliance shipping company would allow anyone to speak on camera. but officials knowledgeable of the negotiations say it boils down to one issue. the key sticking point is the payments that the longshore men get for them. they pay royalties for the containers based on their weight but the shipping companies want to freeze those royalty payments for current longshore men and eliminate them for future hires. the longshore men say the royalties are made to make up for automation. but if the shipping companies lockout the longshore men -- >> that would impact more than containers. that would impact all cargos at ports. that would have a much more impactful reaction. $55 billion worth of cargo in an average month this year. candy? >> brian, i have to imagine retail companies and others who want those goods off the ships and in their stores have to be plenty worried. do they have a plan b to move those goods if there's a strike? >> reporter: yes. some of them do. clo
: maria mow lean a thanks. gregg: the fiscal cliff is not the only threat facing the u.s. economy right now. shipments of all kinds could actually be stuck on cargo ships if a longshoreman strike goes ahead as planned. the stakes for the recovery coming up. patti ann: high noon in those fiscal cliff negotiations. >> nothing have move forward in regards to our budget crisis unless speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell will go forward with our plan. speaker boehner is willing to negotiate, we have not heard a word from mitch mcconnell, and nothing is hang. patti ann: chris vanhollen joins us next. pwhrafp [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. . patti ann: fox news alert, potentially good news for the nation's housing market. pending home sales, which measure homes that are in contract and about to be sold rose 1.7% in novemb
. lawmakers are taking this country over the fiscal cliff. as one senator said today, something has gone terribly wrong when the biggest threat to our economy is our congress. let's get right to abc's chief white house correspondent jon karl covering this every step of the way. jon, many angry americans watching all of this. >> reporter: well, david, they just blew it. it is now clear that congress will fail to pass by midnight tonight something to prevent virtually everybody's taxes from going up. they have known for more than a year that tonight was the deadline and they just blew it. the deadline to prevent that massive $600 billion combination of tax hikes and spending cuts will be missed. but the scramble continues. to try to get a deal done and passed over the next day or two, that would put the tax cuts, at least, back in place retro actively. and today, they sure seemed close to a deal. >> i can report that we've reached an agreement on all of the tax tsh -- the tax issue. >> reporter: and even though the deal was not finalized, the president seemed to take a victory lap today at
. not just the fiscal cliff with the potential threat to the economy, thousands of dockworkers from maine to texas could go on strike within days if their union can't reach a deal with major shipping companies. these are the workers who move goods from the nation's ports to the stores. >> everybody from your mom and pop retailer to your farmer, to the trucking company who has go in and pick up the containers at the ports. this will be felt not just at the local economy, but nationwide for everybody else who relies on these ports. >> one port official says east and gulf coast ports handle about $55 billion worth of cargo a month so a strike could have a major effect on the retail business. >>> land lines not going the way of the vcr just yet. older americans are slow to get rid of land lines and go mobile. the centers for disease control asked 20,000 households about trends throughout the year. the study found about 52% use cell phones for all of their cal calls, that's less than 2% increase from previous years. the older generation is slower to make the switch. >>> patrick democracy might
. you're in "the situation room." the u.s. is now just six days away from the so-called fiscal cliff. and a mad scramble is on here in washington to avoid the drastic tax hikes and spending cuts that many fear will plunge the economy back into recession. president obama flies back from hawaii tonight to be ready if the senate comes back with a plan when it returns to work tomorrow. and house leaders are huddling with members on stand-by to return. senior congressional correspondent dana bash is following all of it for us. what are you hearing? >> there was a conference call of course members of the house leadership even, they're back in their districts, but there was a conference call today among those house republican leaders trying to figure out if and when the house should come back into session. two republican sources tell me they did not make a decision on this call. it's still up in the air. and a big reason for that is if anything can get done in the next six days, the ball is in the senate's court. the capitol is a ghost town. neither chamber in session. an eerie calm since t
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going to put us in recession, regardless of the fiscal cliff. >> glover for questions made the comments yesterday on cnn if a -- grover norquist made the comments yesterday on cnn. >>> new this morning, 7-eleven trying to get healthier. the chain is in the process of introducing more nutritious items. that includes yogurt parfaits and lean turkey sandwiches. 7-eleven wants 20% sales to come from fresh foods byb7ñ the end of 2015. also retooling old favorites. jelly doughnuts sold in miniature versions. >>> that ipad under your tree may already be out-of-date. a japanese tech blog reports a new version of the popular tablet will hit stores in march, the blog says the new ipad will be thinner and lighter than the last, possibly as thin as the ipad mini. >> here's bloomberg reporter deborah costra. >>> good morning. merry christmas if you want to keep holidays merry and avoid unexpected medical bills remove all medications from cabinets into a secure area to protect loved ones who might be visiting, they can be taken by mistake or worse. more than half of the people addicted to prescripti
that happens is hit the sequestration, the things that the fiscal cliff will bring of the that's why. i'll take the medicine, the pain now for a healthier economy going forward. >> kelly: there are a lot of economists who agree because they're saying if we go through this, it will be pain for everybody, 2,000, $4,000 added to our tax for the next year or so. and potentially, after that we will rebound and all those automatic spending cuts will go into effect. >> juliet: we've been following this drama involving hobby lobby. the company plans to defy a federal mandate that came out. it required it to offer the morning after pill. and hobby lobby, the owners of the company say, but they don't want to do that. it defies what they believe. they're going to be defying this order. they're going to risk fines of up to $1.3 million per day because they said on principle, we can not do this. >> kelly: here is the reason why. they're a faith-based organization. even though they're in business. this is a faith-based business and this would go against their belief that they should not be involved in this k
cliff we know it will take some dollars out of the economy, whether it is higher taxes or entitlement cuts. it will create a little bit of a shock to the economy but there are bright spots we should look for in 2013. harris: there are three you said. what are they? >> housing, energy and huge amount, trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines by corporate america, waiting to come into the economy once this picture clears up. harris: we're getting housing numbers coming this week already. we're starting to see prices rose a little bit this fall. that is a good sign. we're seeing housing starts have come up as well. so i understand that. energy. >> energy is a game-changer, it really is. we look what is going on around the world. the europeans, far east, they're paying over $17 a btu for natural gas. we get it for $3 in this country. dow chemical just proposed building the largest chemical plant it has in the world here in this country because of the competitive advantage of natural gas. imagine if we could liquify, ship it to europe, ship it to the far east. not only would we have a
also referenced the impending fiscal cliff, which threatens to derail the economy if a compromise can't be reached by next week on those big unanswered issues. with both sides locked in the standoff, house republicans are calling on senate democrats to act first. democrats aren't budging much on their demands. they want to extend tax cuts and incomes below $250,000, prolong unemployment benefits, and delay those sweeping spending cuts. sam stein. >> yes. >> what happens in -- and it appears it will happen -- we go off the fiscal cliff for a few days? >> not much, is my understanding. kwb, over time, it will have much more of an impact, and it's unknown exactly what the market's psyche will do with respect to the government's inability to come together. with respect to the tax hikes, it won't be as bad as the rhetoric is suggesting early on. whether it's enough to actually get people to get back to the negotiating table -- because i agree with you, i think we're going to go over that deadline, that's the big question. what kind of political ramifications it will have. it's not as if yo
if the country goes over the fiscal cliff. it is a cliff that lawmakers built, they have set the tuesday deadline and knew it was coming for more than a year, but until now, even now they have done precious little to agree on taxes and spending cuts by that time. keeping them honest, the people in this building have known what is coming on tuesday, yet they're only returning to get to this building to get back to work just now. senators came back yesterday. house members? well, they wouldn't be back until sunday. this afternoon, house and senate leaders met with president obama at the white house. they talked for about an hour. afterwards president obama said he was modestly optimistic. by passing house speaker john boehner who has had trouble getting his fellow republicans to agree to anything, the president called on senate majority and minority leaders harry reid and mitch mcconnell, to lay out a deal. >> if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders and the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor. and i have asked senator reid to do this. put a bill on the floor that makes sure that
edge closer to the fiscal cliff and investors brace for the potential fallout. oh, let me guess --ou see this? more washington gridlock. no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> okay, guys. time to forget about all the fiscal cliff negotiations for just a moment. why? because the entire world is it throwing a giant party to ring in the new year. alina choi is doing her best to keep warm in times square as preparations for tonight kick into high gear. >> reporter: good morning. great to see you. from all the talk about the crystal ball, the confetti and new year's resolutions, here's what you need to know if you come to times square tonight. dress warmly it is frigidly cold, and
. fiscal cliff crisis taking a toll on consumer confidence. putting things in context, here it is. a score of 90 on the conference board's index means the economy is healthy. last time we saw that number was 2007 before the start of the financial crisis. over the last two months we've seen steady declines. november's report showed a score of 71.5 and 65.1 in december. that is lowest number we've seen since august. joining us now for more on this is jonathan hunt, portfolio manager for capitalist pig hedge fund. contributor to for fox news channel, good to see you. >> happy new year. >> consumers have no faith in congress, guys get your act together. if there is a deal tomorrow, how do you think is this is going to affect consumer confidence over the next six months? >> it might slightly help but already there is a tremendous damage done. it's no surprise that consumers are not confident. to be confident you have to have some slight semblance of certainty and we haven't had anything like that. consumers want to think long term and budget but trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of
: as lawmakers struggled with the fiscal cliff, treasury secretary timothy geithner is facing an equally harrowing deadline is the u.s. economy approaches its borrowing limit of $16.4 trillion. he says that he is being forced to use extraordinary measures. just to try try to keep things afloat for another few months. do you ever feel like groundhog day? paul harrington is a managing partner of harrington financial llc. i do feel like bill murray in his movie "groundhog day", the movie. it seems to be happening over and over again, doesn't it? [laughter] reporter: this narrative is tiring and frustrating. we have been talking about this every year. we do have a $16.4 trillion debt ceiling. i want people to realize that there are vibrational effects associated with going over or trying to extend the debt ceiling. one example is the credit rating of the united states. we already saw a downgrade their with our respective credit rating in the united states. if we are going to go through the debt ceiling once again, and i suspect that we will revisit having another downgrade to her credit rati
. >> economists say one of the effects of the fiscal cliff is that businesses are now holding back on spending money whether it be investing in stock, machinery and equipment needed for the company or products they sell. and for a slowly strengthening economy, the shock of less spending could be all it takes to push the country back into a recession. >> businesses are not hiring workers now at the pace we would expect because the small businesses say we can't hire right now until we know what the tax system is going to look like and what our tax bill is going to be in 2013. >> and shannon, economists also say the trend will decrease money in the pockets of consumers so they will have less money to put back into the economy by buying goods and services. back to you. >> shannon: we asked you if going over the fiscal cliff might be a good thing. and boy, did you respond. your answers, next. with the spark cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purche, everday!
out of the fiscal cliff. it avoids the worst outcomes. and we're then going to have some tough negotiations in terms of how we continue to reduce the deficit, grow the economy and create jobs. >> if the fight comes back -- i want to ask you specifically about entitlements, medicare and social security, are you prepared in the first year of your second term, to significantly reform those two programs, to go beyond the cuts you've suggested to benefits in medicare, which your own debt commission suggested you'd have to do if you were really going to shore up medicare at least. are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i've said is i'm prepared to do everything i can to make sure that medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but for future generations. >> you've got to talk tough to seniors. >> i have, one of the proposals we've made is something called chain cpi. which sounds technical, but basically makes an adjustment in terms of how inflation is calculated for social security. highly unpopular among democrats. not som
to see you. >> good morning. >> dave: it's funny, we're talking about the fiscal cliff stuff and jobs seem to be left out of the conversation. we haven't heard about much to jump start the economy. tell us what the jobs act is. >> first of all, the financing cliff, you can either raise taxes, cut spending or grow the economy. there has been very little discussion about growth. congress did something great and president obama signed it. it was called the jobs act. it was about growth and a lot of growth through innovation. what it did is made easier forebitt entwhistles to raise money. they could crowd funds, go out to more people before having these commission regulations, they could do many other things they couldn't do under the present law. but it did require the security and exchange commission to issue some rules. it turns out those rules have still not been issued. it's been about a year now and they've been held up because the chairman of the sec, chairwoman, shapiro, no relation to me, decided to sit on them because she was concerned about her legacy, according to some e-mails
it to us. live from honolulu. washington is not the only one thinking about the fiscal cliff. it turns out that the concerns about it or affecting how much people are spending this holiday season. analysts saying overall sales are down from last year. it's not just the economy though. they say people just don't feel like spending as much. many still feeling the wake of super storm sandy. also those recent shootings in colorado and connecticut. because of the low sales predictions. retailers are banking on last-minute shoppers to boost their bottom lines but experts say they could be disappointed. fox business network's adam shapiro has that news. adam? >> so the holiday shopping season, when you crunch the numbers, may not prove to be as merry as some people had hoped for. first the good news, national retail federation saying they are still on track for growth of 4.1% over the last we have 586 billion-dollar holiday shopping season. according to the nrf. we won't get the final numbers until after the holidays have played out. already though, shopper track is indicating it's not going to b
. >> that was the president of the united states making a statement just about the talks on the fiscal cliff that he had been having with congressional leaders this afternoon. he said it was the bare minimum that congressional leaders could come up with a deal and it was the wrong thing to do to allow taxes to come up. i want to bring in christin welker. christin, it sounded like the president was saying he's got at least an agreement that should be an up or down vote, no matter what the agreement looks like on the senate and then on to the house. is that what you heard, too? >> reporter: that is what i heard. he essentially said, look, i asked reid and mcconnell to get some sort of a compromise if they can't do this in a reasonable time, he's asking them to give an up or down vote on this bare minimum package that he outlined last friday that he talked about today, as well, extending the tax cuts as well as sort of staving off some of those deep cuts that are set to go into effect. but he also said he's modestly optimistic, which suggests this is certainly not a done deal. you also heard him talk about the
to the potential falling off the fiscal cliff. gregg: 30 million americans will be affected by the alternative minimum tax and they will have to pay a much higher tax rate. >> a lot of people don't even know that they will be one of that 28 to 3,030,000,000 people getting hit. this all comes at the end of the year when you realize how much more money you you'll pay in taxes coming out of your paychecks this affects almost every american. gregg: social security the payroll tax that everybody has been talking about, that is suddenly going to jump from 4.2% to 6.2%, the average wage easterner pays about $700 more? if you make less than $50,000, right around $50,000 you're paying about $650 more. again this is affecting middle class america. a lot of people in the middle class say this isn't going to affect me, this is just about rich people. you're seeing more and more everything we talk about hitting the middle class the hardest. gregg: every potential deal we are hearing today none of it affects the payroll tax, that will go up automatically on everybody no matter what. >> that is almost guaran
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if benefits are not restored. marc, this is a real life consequences. yes, it is a fiscal curve, and yes, tax rates are only going to go up a little bit, but for some people, it is a cliff. >> most americans have not benefitted from this economy at all. people are struggling and most people i know are kind of, can i make the mortgage? can i keep my job? this is real for people, and the problem is that one of the things that i have discovered talking to conservative e k economists or progressive left wing economists or whoever i'm talking to say that we are all not asking the right questions and not having an honest debate. the honest debate is that conservative people on the right want less government and destroy government to take what people get out of it. a way to end it. so we are not, and the left is not talking anymore about what the real issues are are, and we talked about in the break about social security, and they are going to gut social skuecurity. i'm okay. i'm old [ laughter ] but y'all are going to be in trouble when it comes to social security and your generations will be in tr
to vote on whatever fiscal cliff bill the senate passes one day before the deadline and warnings of a recession that the rahled wall street and consumer confidence. >> they know it will have a negative impact on the economy and they know it will have a negative impact on them and their families and they are expecting us to be here to work and we're not. >> reporter: real deadlines are approaching. 2 million americans out of work for more than six months start losing their jobless benefits tomorrow and the nation runs out of borrowing authority to finance our $16 trillion debt on monday. the treasury department says it can use extraordinary measures to avert default until february extraordinary, that's a word that might apply to this entire fiscal cliff situation. >> major garrett, thank you very much. >>> republican senator bob corker of tennessee has offered proposals in recent weeks to break the stalemate in congress. senator, good morning, good to see you. >> good morning, jeff good to be with you. >> are we going over the cliff? >> well it depends on wha
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